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		<title>By: Hu</title>
		<link>http://shianux.jiyuuu.org/2006/09/02/confession-i-need-to-know-where-to-go/#comment-7644</link>
		<dc:creator>Hu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading your entry and the comments posted by your readers, i'm confused as to whether I should accept my offer from Uni of Tasmania. Is there really such a great disadvantage for me to go and get my Law degree in Australia? Are prospects that baD??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading your entry and the comments posted by your readers, i&#8217;m confused as to whether I should accept my offer from Uni of Tasmania. Is there really such a great disadvantage for me to go and get my Law degree in Australia? Are prospects that baD??</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 04:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My advice is not to bother with practise in Singapore. Extremely competitive and competitive for no good reason that I can see.

Australia is not a bad place to start your legal career. You have the qualifications. You have the brains. I'm also fairly sure you have a good work ethic. There are a number of areas of practise in Australia that you will never be able to fully develop in Singapore if you are interested, eg, criminal defense.

Think of it as a blessing in disguise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice is not to bother with practise in Singapore. Extremely competitive and competitive for no good reason that I can see.</p>
<p>Australia is not a bad place to start your legal career. You have the qualifications. You have the brains. I&#8217;m also fairly sure you have a good work ethic. There are a number of areas of practise in Australia that you will never be able to fully develop in Singapore if you are interested, eg, criminal defense.</p>
<p>Think of it as a blessing in disguise.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys...  fellow brother in law here.

My suggestion after 5 years in the profession. Qualify in Australia and then UK if you can. Go all the way there while you can.. get yourself some experience in practise, see if it is really your cup of tea. Australian PR will be easy if you have work experience. 

If you move back here with a 2nd lower and with no prior experience, you will be competing with the NUS grads here for scraps. Not worth it.

In consolation, there are a lot of us here who wish we could have your lifestyle in Australia... *sighz*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys&#8230;  fellow brother in law here.</p>
<p>My suggestion after 5 years in the profession. Qualify in Australia and then UK if you can. Go all the way there while you can.. get yourself some experience in practise, see if it is really your cup of tea. Australian PR will be easy if you have work experience. </p>
<p>If you move back here with a 2nd lower and with no prior experience, you will be competing with the NUS grads here for scraps. Not worth it.</p>
<p>In consolation, there are a lot of us here who wish we could have your lifestyle in Australia&#8230; *sighz*</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 04:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Macrothinker:

It would be great to share experiences. My email is: cambridge.gymnast@gmail.com. Anyone else to share experiences, please email me as well. Singapore is not the only place where you can practice!! There are other jurisdictions that will accept your qualifications.

Thanks.

Regards
Hal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Macrothinker:</p>
<p>It would be great to share experiences. My email is: <a href="mailto:cambridge.gymnast@gmail.com">cambridge.gymnast@gmail.com</a>. Anyone else to share experiences, please email me as well. Singapore is not the only place where you can practice!! There are other jurisdictions that will accept your qualifications.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Hal</p>
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		<title>By: macrothinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>macrothinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hal and Same Old

I'm glad that I came by your comments.  I can empathise with Han as I am somewhat in the same situation, graduating soon with an Aussie law degree.  It's interesting to read both of your experiences, and I am paving my way to go down the path of becoming a paralegal in an offshore law firm in SG while working towards being admitted into legal practice of an Australian jurisdiction (via the College of Law or Practical Legal Training at the Australian National University).  

It will be appreciated if you both could share more of your experience in shaping your legal career.  I would certainly love to learn more from you.  My email: agratefulheart@gmail.com

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hal and Same Old</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that I came by your comments.  I can empathise with Han as I am somewhat in the same situation, graduating soon with an Aussie law degree.  It&#8217;s interesting to read both of your experiences, and I am paving my way to go down the path of becoming a paralegal in an offshore law firm in SG while working towards being admitted into legal practice of an Australian jurisdiction (via the College of Law or Practical Legal Training at the Australian National University).  </p>
<p>It will be appreciated if you both could share more of your experience in shaping your legal career.  I would certainly love to learn more from you.  My email: <a href="mailto:agratefulheart@gmail.com">agratefulheart@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Same old</title>
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		<dc:creator>Same old</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Han,

Wow, you are going through exactly what I went through 6 years ago. I bet you get those sweaty palms and wake up in the middle of the night shouting "why???". First off, its probably not because of your grades or for lack of trying, but really a situation of bad circumstances. Ok so you can't qualify to practice in Singapore at this moment - big deal. Would you really want to in the first place? By all indications I think most Singaporean lawyers burn out in 3 years, and except for the elite few, do boring mundane tasks every day. What you could do is apply for PR status in Victoria. Do you have any relatives that might be able to sponsor you? I think when I applied, there was a special visa for graduates who applied within 6 months of completing their degree. Highly recommend you check it out. If that doesn't work, I would suggest working in a law related field, in house or for some of those offshore firms in Singapore as a paralegal. Bide your time and then apply for PR - I think at this stage you need 3 years work experience. That work experience will come in handy when you apply to law firms in Australia. It will happen for you and will happen quickly. I now live in Sydney and I'm a Senior Associate at a prestigious law firm - it took me a long time (6 years) to get here, but you know what? If its really what you want i.e. to practise as a lawyer  - its all worth it. Best of luck, having been through the same thing, I can really understand how you feel, but keep at it and you will get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Han,</p>
<p>Wow, you are going through exactly what I went through 6 years ago. I bet you get those sweaty palms and wake up in the middle of the night shouting &#8220;why???&#8221;. First off, its probably not because of your grades or for lack of trying, but really a situation of bad circumstances. Ok so you can&#8217;t qualify to practice in Singapore at this moment - big deal. Would you really want to in the first place? By all indications I think most Singaporean lawyers burn out in 3 years, and except for the elite few, do boring mundane tasks every day. What you could do is apply for PR status in Victoria. Do you have any relatives that might be able to sponsor you? I think when I applied, there was a special visa for graduates who applied within 6 months of completing their degree. Highly recommend you check it out. If that doesn&#8217;t work, I would suggest working in a law related field, in house or for some of those offshore firms in Singapore as a paralegal. Bide your time and then apply for PR - I think at this stage you need 3 years work experience. That work experience will come in handy when you apply to law firms in Australia. It will happen for you and will happen quickly. I now live in Sydney and I&#8217;m a Senior Associate at a prestigious law firm - it took me a long time (6 years) to get here, but you know what? If its really what you want i.e. to practise as a lawyer  - its all worth it. Best of luck, having been through the same thing, I can really understand how you feel, but keep at it and you will get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 06:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I empathized with Han. My situation is similar to his. I graduated from Cambridge but am not practising in UK partly because I couldn't get a training contract (it's really tough even if you are from Oxbridge) and partly because I want to go home to Singapore and practise. But I can't practise in Singapore because of the 2:1 requirement. Now I'm working for a US Investment Bank in the legal department. The pay is really good compared to practising and the hours are decent. I don't think I want to practice anymore. It doesn't make much difference whether you are practising or not unless you want to go to court. But if you are into corporate / company law, then you don't need to be a practising lawyer. You can go in-house or offshore law firms. Start off with a paralegal or something and then move up to be the in-house counsel. Really, not being admitted doesn't make much difference. Where you work does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I empathized with Han. My situation is similar to his. I graduated from Cambridge but am not practising in UK partly because I couldn&#8217;t get a training contract (it&#8217;s really tough even if you are from Oxbridge) and partly because I want to go home to Singapore and practise. But I can&#8217;t practise in Singapore because of the 2:1 requirement. Now I&#8217;m working for a US Investment Bank in the legal department. The pay is really good compared to practising and the hours are decent. I don&#8217;t think I want to practice anymore. It doesn&#8217;t make much difference whether you are practising or not unless you want to go to court. But if you are into corporate / company law, then you don&#8217;t need to be a practising lawyer. You can go in-house or offshore law firms. Start off with a paralegal or something and then move up to be the in-house counsel. Really, not being admitted doesn&#8217;t make much difference. Where you work does.</p>
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		<title>By: sigma</title>
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		<dc:creator>sigma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there Han. I didn't know you were doing your law degree in Australia. Which uni are you in atm?

I sympathise with you on your predicament. I'm not doing law though, doing accounting. Last sem, I underperformed at uni as well, which in this sem it looks like I'll be continuing to do so. I'm not exactly a lazy or unfocused person, but more like I'm not as 'smart' as I would like to be, unfortunately.

I've had a S'porean law student friend before, and from what I heard from him, yeah, S'pore's legal fratenity is like a very tight-arsed body. They aren't even that keen to accept foreign degrees, even though Australian unis ranked respectably in the Top 50 or 100. If I remember correctly, they are more receptive towards law degrees coming from the UK.

Do they set a certain class you have to obtain to be able to practice law in Singapore?

Like what many of the people have commented before me, I suggest you just put roots down in Victoria and try to be admitted to practice law in Oz. I admit you'll have to compete with many locals and such, but maybe you can specialise in places where there are shortages of lawyers? Tax law comes to mind, since it relates to a shortage of accountants in Oz right now.

Or you can also just go into the financial or banking sector, like what's been mentioned before also. Many law students don't become lawyers in the end.

Anyway, good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there Han. I didn&#8217;t know you were doing your law degree in Australia. Which uni are you in atm?</p>
<p>I sympathise with you on your predicament. I&#8217;m not doing law though, doing accounting. Last sem, I underperformed at uni as well, which in this sem it looks like I&#8217;ll be continuing to do so. I&#8217;m not exactly a lazy or unfocused person, but more like I&#8217;m not as &#8217;smart&#8217; as I would like to be, unfortunately.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a S&#8217;porean law student friend before, and from what I heard from him, yeah, S&#8217;pore&#8217;s legal fratenity is like a very tight-arsed body. They aren&#8217;t even that keen to accept foreign degrees, even though Australian unis ranked respectably in the Top 50 or 100. If I remember correctly, they are more receptive towards law degrees coming from the UK.</p>
<p>Do they set a certain class you have to obtain to be able to practice law in Singapore?</p>
<p>Like what many of the people have commented before me, I suggest you just put roots down in Victoria and try to be admitted to practice law in Oz. I admit you&#8217;ll have to compete with many locals and such, but maybe you can specialise in places where there are shortages of lawyers? Tax law comes to mind, since it relates to a shortage of accountants in Oz right now.</p>
<p>Or you can also just go into the financial or banking sector, like what&#8217;s been mentioned before also. Many law students don&#8217;t become lawyers in the end.</p>
<p>Anyway, good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i second that idea. the minister is allowed to make exemptions (i suspect it's done at the BLE's recommendation). if you're intent on practicing in sg, then go all out, exhaust all avenues.

last but not least, good luck and work doubly hard this sem. don't lose sight of your dreams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i second that idea. the minister is allowed to make exemptions (i suspect it&#8217;s done at the BLE&#8217;s recommendation). if you&#8217;re intent on practicing in sg, then go all out, exhaust all avenues.</p>
<p>last but not least, good luck and work doubly hard this sem. don&#8217;t lose sight of your dreams.</p>
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		<title>By: igakunogakusei</title>
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		<dc:creator>igakunogakusei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erh, try contacting the BLE directly? You never know, they might just make an exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erh, try contacting the BLE directly? You never know, they might just make an exception.</p>
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